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Post Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 07:42 AM
Last edited by devil on Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:21 PM; edited 6 time in total
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Well I've finally completed the HTPC build. It was definitely harder to put together than a normal PC. The hardest part was the hours and hours of research involved in finding just the right components for it.

Unlike a regular PC build which revolves around the motherboard as the central component, a HTPC revolves around the power supply. The PSU that came with this case is 300 watts and was specifically made for the case. You'll find most HTPC's are that way because of the different way they must fit the PSU into the case design. Because the PSU is only 300 watts you have to find low power consuming items to use in it like the CPU, HD, and any possible PCI cards.

Vista Experience Total: 3.2
Processor: 4.2
RAM: 5.9
Graphics: 3.2
Gaming Graphics: 3.2
Primary HD: 5.9

(total is always the lowest common denominator)

Foxconn A7GM-S
4GB A-DATA DDR2 800
AMDSempron LE-1300 Sparta 2.2GHZ 45w
1TB WD10EADS Green Caviar

Here is a perspective shot showing how small the HTPC is compared to a regular mid-tower case.



You can see here how much room you have to work with. Pretty much none. This particular case comes with a PCI slot cooler powered by a molex connector. The fan on it is near dead silent and is actually unneeded because the system produces next to no heat when on full load thanks to the 45w CPU I decided to put in there. The slot fan as you can see will accommodate a full sized graphics card if I ever want to add one. I would have to remove the slot fan though. You can find a handful of "low profile" graphics cards which are meant for HTPC's though they rarely produce the quality and features of a better "gamer" card. You have to do a lot of research to find the right quality vs heat and performance for such a tight space.

Cable management is also essential in order to maximize airflow and airflow is certainly a priority in this type of case.

With optical drive tray:


The CPU is a 45w Sempron. It does the job of running Windows Vista Home Premium but barely. For running movies, images, and music it does a good job and can recommend the processor.

The motherboard on the other hand... is a Foxconn and comes with a shitty ATI HD 3200 video chip which cannot handle the Aero Interface within Media Center. Everything else works just fine but the on-board chokes horribly in Media Center because of the background animations and flashy transitions. I've turned them off since and now it runs great and is HD capable. The system has 4GB of the cheapest RAM I could find. It's A-DATA ram and the system barely goes above 25% load on RAM. Works for me.

CPU cooler height constraint:


This is the DVD and HD storage tray. It comes out so that initial building is much easier. It fits up with the front plate so the DVD eject button is perfectly placed. Excellent precision tooling there. In this shot you can see the back of the DVD and Hard Drive. This case is a little weird because it can fit 3 HD's in such a small area. In case you were wondering, the other 2 HD's are mounted vertically on either side of the DVD player. Space is at a premium and this case goes with a wild concept of vertical mounting. When it comes time to expand more HD's in the case I'll only have to lift up the tray, install them, and sit it back in.

Optical Drive Tray:


Here's what the finished HTPC looks like. When side by side with a beige case it just blows it away.



When side by side with the rest of my home theater components like stereo tuner, DVD player, VCR player, etc... the HTPC is the one that looks out of place. Simply because of the cheap ass Guatemalan-esque paint job. The paint job is extremely cheap and rough, it's like they painted it outdoors with matted black Krylon. For the $120 I paid for the case I expected a lot more from the paint. The sides of the case are very cheap plastic and painted silver. I haven't scratched it yet but if it gets a scratch it's going to be so obvious a blind man could see it.

Overall quality is cheap but the interior design is magnificent. I wouldn't buy the case again if I had the choice. To me it's not even worth $50. It doesn't have the amount of metal inside like a regular case or the paint job. So with all the lesser amount of materials and paint you'd think the case would be extremely cheap. Nope it was expensive. I feel I did not get my money's worth when it came to the case. The interior is nice but whatever... no one is going to ever see that. It's the outside that counts especially if you want to display it with a home theater system. That's about the only disappointing thing about the whole build was the paint job and material of the side pieces.



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Post Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 02:40 AM Reply with quote

Once again Devil, that is some nice rigging there.


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 03:49 PM Reply with quote

GJ Devil, looks sexy as hell





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Post Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 03:00 PM
Last edited by devil on Sat Mar 05, 2011 06:41 AM; edited 2 time in total
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I've been gone the past couple of days because I've been working on setting up the HTPC with my theater system and getting all the bugs worked out. It's now a part of my theater system and it's soooo cool. I can watch any movie in my DVD collection without getting off the couch. Damn that sounds lazy.

I'll try to take a short video of what it actually looks like and how vista media center performs for everyone to see.

I got a Zotac 9600GT to put in it because the onboard ATI HD 3200 was not good enough for Vista Media Center (VMC). The onboard was sluggish and mostly non-responsive. Once I put the 9600GT in there it was a like a whole different computer. It runs like an HTPC should. It's really fast and only with a 45w 2.2GHZ Single-Core Sempron. Just goes to show you graphics are more important than the CPU when it comes to Vista Media Center.

Got my PCI Wireless NIC last week. I went with a cheapy Gigabyte NIC. Works great too. You can see a better interior shot with the drive tray removed and a good view of the north bridge heat sink. Pretty nifty how Foxconn made it so low profile. These days that something to look for in a motherboard to make sure those big hulk cards can fit. Remember this is a mATX board so being allowed to put a massive card in there felt weird.





Here you can see the 9600GT installed. It's 9" long. The case is only 11". I made sure to measure carefully before buying it. The only worry was the draw on the meager 300w power supply. It looks like there is plenty of room because the optical drive tray isn't installed yet.




Here it is with the optical drive tray. It barely clears the card. Because of the card I won't be able to add a 3rd hard drive as it sits directly in line with the 3rd HD mounts in the drive tray. Gotta hand it to my Foxconn motherboard for keeping the northbridge heatsink below the height of the card. Actually, the card goes over the NB and the last 2 SATA ports. It comes about 1/4" from reaching the end of the motherboard. The 9600GT is a little shorter than the bigger 8800GT. This case would not fit anything much bigger than what it's got.






Old Vista Experience Total: 3.2
Processor: 4.2
RAM: 5.9
Graphics: 3.2
Gaming Graphics: 3.2
Primary HD: 5.9

(total is always the lowest common denominator)

New Vista Experience Total: 4.2 (after upgrading to 9600GT)
Processor: 4.2
RAM: 5.9
Graphics: 5.9
Gaming Graphics: 5.9
Primary HD: 5.9

(total is always the lowest common denominator)



Final Specs:

Operating System: $100
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium OEM

Case: $120
Antec NSK 1380 w/300 PSU


Motherboard: $70
Foxconn A7GM-S


CPU: $40
AMDSempron LE-1300 Sparta 2.2GHZ 45w

GPU: $98
ZOTAC ZT-96TES3P-FSP 9600 GT 512MB

RAM: $41
4GB A-DATA DDR2 800

Primary Hard Drive: $104
1TB WD10EADS Green Caviar

Optical Drive: $23
LITE-ON 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model iHAS122-04 - OEM

Network Card: $17
GIGABYTE GN-WP01GS IEEE 802.11b/g PCI Wireless Adapter

Remote: $25
Anyware GP-IR01BK Windows Vista Infrared MCE Black Remote Control

Final Cost: $638


I only have an 8600GTS in my gaming computer and a 9600GT in this HTPC. Why wouldn't I have swapped them? Trust me I wanted to so bad. I simply could not do it because the 8600GTS consumes much more power. It would have shut down my HTPC upon boot.

The 9x series is identical to the 8x series cards except they are more power efficient and have support for DX10 and high definition video built in. The benchmarks are not much different from the 8x series too. They are simply rebranded 8x cards with a few feature improvements. Think of the 9x series cards as 8900's or something like that.


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Post Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:11 PM
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I bought a cheap Athlon X2 Dual Core 5000+ to replace the Sempron. Got it off e-Bay for $50.

New Vista Experience Total: 5.2 (after upgrading to dual-core)
Processor: 5.2
RAM: 5.9
Graphics: 5.9
Gaming Graphics: 5.9
Primary HD: 5.9

(total is always the lowest common denominator)

Pretty good considering the 5000+ is only 65w and debuted at $300 in 2006. Now my HTPC has a bonafide dual-core for only 20 more watts in the system. I love the Sempron but I finally had some extra money sitting around and decided to go for the upgrade while I still can. CPU's on e-Bay have a bad habit of getting more expensive the older and harder-to-find they become. Right now is the sweet spot to buy a lot of older dual-core CPU's on the cheap before they become scarce and the price goes up.


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